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5/26/2004 7:27:50 AM
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acb
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I was bowled over when I called a local Benjamin Moore Paint store recently and found that they offer their complete collection of color chips for just $24.99 CAD. I was even more impressed when I went in to buy it, and found that the price included a beautiful padded nylon carry case to hold the two huge fans of color chips.
I don`t know if these are available in the US, but I`d be very surprised if they weren`t. I was thinking that they would make an excellent communication tool for us when we`re trying to describe yarn colors to each other. I was thinking that if we all had them, one of you might even volunteer to keep a list of the group`s most sought-after colors, and then I could translate these into yarn colors when we`re putting together new yarn collections.
Any thoughts?
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5/26/2004 8:41:18 AM
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Guest
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It sounds like a terrific idea, Ann. How many colors are there in total?
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5/26/2004 8:51:01 AM
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benne
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Oh no! Think of all the choices, I could dither for weeks. lol Sounds like a good idea.
Benne
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5/26/2004 9:56:12 AM
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ecasey
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That sounds like such a good idea Ann - you`re always thinking of us! I bet we`ll still all be see the colours differently too - dark blue and dark purple are my "blind spots" - sometimes I can`t tell which is which! Take that "darkest blue" Araucania, for instance - I`m still convinced it`s purple!
Eileen.
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"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the STARS!" (Oscar Wilde)
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5/26/2004 10:19:24 AM
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MacChick
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I`ve heard of doing this in yarn AND fabric before, but using the DMC stranded embroidery floss (Art or Mouliné 117) colors as the standard. And in graphic arts, people do this same thing using the Pantone colors as the standard.
You can get the DMC colors online at:
http://www.dmc.com/eng/colorcards/default_colorcards_117.asp?cat_id=cc0
the color desriptions, listed with color numbers are here:
http://www.dmc.com/eng/default_coldes.asp?cat_id=cc14
or look at the actual floss colors...
But I agree that a color card which has all the colors (and not distorted by a computer) right in front of you is best. I`m guessing that DMC color cards are such a popular standard because they are quite universal; you can almost use it like a language when talking to anyone from a manufacturer to a retailer to a customer.
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5/26/2004 10:46:24 AM
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acb
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Going by the index, Marion, there are about 1800+ colors over the 2 fans.
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5/26/2004 10:57:14 AM
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acb
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Yes, I have a Pantone color fan for textiles, and it would ultimately be a Pantone reference that I would give to the mill, so that they could produce the correct color. Pantone fans can be purchased from the Pantone website, but they`re a significant investment.
If you do have a Pantone textiles fan, MacChick, let me tell you that I`ve picked your "ballet pink" as being close to Pantone 12-1010 TPX (Scallop Shell). In the Benjamin Moore fan, I`d say it`s 2169-60 (peach cloud). You might want to check these:-)
Funny you should mention DMC embroidery floss - just last week I ordered in shade cards for these, as I was thinking of offering the them for this very purpose in our "Samples" section. They are also an excellent communication tool. Perhaps we don`t need to get into the nuances of 1800+ paint colors, and should limit ourselves to the DMC range!
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5/26/2004 11:45:38 AM
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Guest
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I agree about the Araucania color. But remember, half of your yarn will be dark blue and the other half purple and no good way to blend them. So if you don`t like two toned garments make sure you buy double what you need.
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5/26/2004 1:16:34 PM
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benne
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I think fewer choices would be better. One advantage of the DMC might be that you are actually looking at textile which might make it easier to choose a color than paint samples which are flat. You know, it`s a thread thing!lol
Benne
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5/26/2004 1:55:48 PM
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Cate
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The Benjamin Moore samples are a great idea. The advantage over the DMC is that they come in more shades from dark to light and more graduated hues. This gives us the chance of a more accurate color match. I use the Munsell Color Notation system when I teach. It is used in science & industry. I have often looked at Pantone to have to show my students but it is too expensive for that. Benne is correct in saying that textiles and paint *read* differently but I think the increased color choice means Benj Moore gets my vote.
Cate
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5/26/2004 3:22:52 PM
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jeanflores
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We can get them online! Go to :
http://www.benjaminmoore.com/store.asp and into the misc. section and there they are...
Peace,
Jean
Ansbach, Germany
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5/26/2004 4:41:53 PM
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bea
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What a great idea...!
I agree with Benne that the DMC might be easier to "translate", but are those also available as off-line sample cards? I suspect the DMC would have enough colours for me, since usually the *exact* colour isn`t as important to me as its colour family.
Honestly, I`d go for anything that I could have in front of me to see in natural light, not on the monitor!
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5/26/2004 4:43:30 PM
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acb
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Great, Jean. And guess what arrived here this afternoon? . . . the shade cards from DMC. The Cotton Embroidery card is absolutely beautiful. Of course, colors always look super-rich in mercerized cotton, because of it`s sheen . . the effect of the whole card is just brilliant! I`ll make inquiries about ordering large quantities of these for resale, and see what I can come up with for us.
The 100% wool card is also lovely (different completely, because it has fewer colors, and no light reflects off the wool, but wonderful, just the same). Unfortunately, I don`t think these are mass produced for resale. I could, however, look into offering the wool tapestry skeins themselves -- then we could have them available as both color tools and lovely colors to embellish our knitting with.
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5/26/2004 5:17:59 PM
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bets
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Hi!
Like Benne, I would dither over 1800 colors. That`s a LOT of choices. I actually LIKE the DMC idea better-it`s smaller, more portable, more affordable
(here`s the press from Herrschner`s)
DMC® Embroidery Floss & Perle Cotton Color Card. Complete 464 colors
464 colors. Completely revised and updated Embroidery Floss/Perle Cotton Color Card contains swatches of all 464 colors of DMC Embroidery floss including variegated color. The card has indications to let you know which colors are available in all 4 sizes of Perle Cotton. Imported.
And it`s 12.99.
The plus on that idea is that if people choose not to buy one, they can still run to their local shop and just pull out a tray of floss to SEE it. Or DMC has these on line, for those who don`t worry about monitor color distortion.
Good thinking on the "good color" list-I know you said (many months ago) that people tend to buy blue/purple, then red, then neutral, then the others. (Did I remember that order right?)
BTW, Jean, have you been to DMC-it`s kind of near Strausbourg? I had wanted to go, but didn`t get that far,
My 2 cents!
B
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5/26/2004 7:28:25 PM
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Jamie
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Some very good ideas. Color is a complex study and it seems that the DMC samples are all so bright because of the mercerized quality. Wool and unmercerized cotton show the same colors differently. I received a huge bunch of color cards in a short Deb Menz workshop last fall. It was amazing to experiment with one color, then add a bit of black, or a bit of white (or a bit of something else) and see the subtle changes. Deb Menz` book on Color is listed on the What`s New listing.
The Benjamin Moore chips seem overwhelming with 1800 shades, DMC is more manageable but I`d love to see the DMC wool palate. In any case, having a common reference tool would be helpful in communications and for choosing colors in yarns. Jamie
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5/27/2004 5:25:56 AM
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acb
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Hi Bets,
Yes, you`re right on with what`s generally popular blues, purples, then reds, then neutrals, and then the others.
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5/27/2004 6:05:17 AM
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Sandra D
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Ann,
So glad that you are thinking of this. We just got an LCD monitor and the colors look substantially different than on our old monitor. A universal color standard would be very helpful.
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5/28/2004 4:53:59 AM
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Les
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Here`s my two cents worth.
I had just this week, seen the colour chip collection mentioned in one of the Canadian Home mags., in the section where they showcase new products they like. I thought it would be handy as I see some painting in my future and I like going to the city less and less these days!
The advantage of this is that one can isolate a colour without interference of colours next to it as on a DMC floss chart. And set colours together to see how they look. I can see an advantage for Ann being able to get another chip and send it to the yarn manufacturer to match or describe the colour, rather than to find the sometimes elusive hank of floss to send.(if that`s what she has to do to describe colours) "I would like the greenish blue or maybe the bluish green" LOL
Les
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